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I'm looking for forms, not instructions. And no, they aren't, yet. Of course the older ones are, for the last three or four millésimes, as usual. I the same (delayed compared to online access) being the case last year. I just don't recall how long. It was just for planning purposes, vis-à-vis some trips I'm planning to take. I'll just wait...
I just looked for the forms (and notices) for this year (i.e. labeled 2025) and they don't seem to be available on the Fisc website yet. I suspect all the budget issues at the turn of the year may have delayed things a bit more than usual.

This is the site that gives all the dates and deadlines:
But if you follow their link to where to get your forms online, it takes you here:
Which, for the moment doesn't seem to have anything set up for the 2025 Millesime (which is what you want). I would expect to see something posted some time this week or possibly after Easter (i.e. next week) but some forms just seem to come out late.
 
I just looked for the forms (and notices) for this year (i.e. labeled 2025) and they don't seem to be available on the Fisc website yet.
Thx. Millésime 2025, as they call it, is precisely what I looked for, before posting 🙂

My question was in reference to timing of such, as I forgot the delay btw online filing access and forms availability from last year.

Sorry for all the trouble. I'll wait a little, and mark down the timing this time 😁

Have a great day, everybody!
 
One thing about French taxes - the timing always seems to vary from one year to the next. I use ClickImpot to do our taxes, and it seems like every year there is some new or revised form that doesn't get posted, finalized or incorporated into the online system until just a week or so before the first e-filing deadline. And before that, the actual filing dates for the all-paper declarations, the "tax season" dates could vary from March to May - you do have to keep up with the news here to know what's what.

What was even more fun years ago was when the legislature continued changing the tax laws up until Dec. 31st of the tax year - which would, of course, delay the finalization of the paper forms, and the resulting filing dates.
 
RE: timing 2042 PDF
According to toutsurmesfinances.com:

"Le formulaire 2042 PDF n’est pas encore disponible à ce jour ; il faut encore patienter. L’an é, le 17 avril 2024, six jours après l’ouverture du service de déclaration en ligne pour 2024 (intervenue le 11 avril), le portail des impôts avait mis à disposition des contribuables la plupart des formulaires vierges PDF à télécharger et à imprimer, annexes à la déclaration principale. Le fameux formulaire 2042 de déclaration des revenus a été, quant à lui, proposé en téléchargement une semaine plus tard, à compter du mercredi 24 avril."

About a week after the grand opening roughly corresponds to my dates from previous years for both the 2042 and 2047 forms and instructions. I think the site opened ahead of schedule, so I'll be checking it again on Friday. It's curious that the 2042 paper form has already been mailed and received. Fingers crossed no bugs this year!
 
RE: timing 2042 PDF
According to toutsurmesfinances.com:

"... L’an é, le 17 avril 2024, six jours après l’ouverture du service de déclaration en ligne pour 2024 (intervenue le 11 avril), le portail des impôts avait mis à disposition des contribuables la plupart des formulaires vierges PDF à télécharger et à imprimer..."
That's what I was looking for! Thank you! I can put this off, then, for another week.
 
Thank you, Bev. I had a feeling it might be something like that. I guess we'll make an in person appt w the tax office to see what they say.
Just to give an update on this - we went to the tax office this morning and the person there explained that because I was in the US in 2023 (the year we got married) and for almost half of 2024, while my spouse was a resident in during that time, we are a "couple mixte," so we don't have to declare my US-based, pre-move to income. So that simplifies things somewhat.
 
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Just to give an update on this - we went to the tax office this morning and the person there explained that because I was in the US in 2023 (the year we got married) and for almost half of 2024, while my spouse was a resident in during that time, we are a "couple mixte," so we don't have to declare my US-based, pre-move to income. So that simplifies things somewhat.
We have here who can certainly recommend good professionals who speak English and understand the US tax agreement with . @JapanAmerica for example.
 
This will be me and my partner's first year to file. I have question about the household filing situation. We are not married or PACs, have no plan/desire to do this, but we live together and operate as a household unit. In my reading it sounds like we file separately with '1 share of family quotient'. (see screenshot below) Is this mandatory, do we have an option to file as a household unit? Is anyone else in this situation, and if so, can you confirm or deny? Thank you in advance. Likely not going to be my only question. :)
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You don't get many options when you file here in . If you aren't married or PACS'd, then you each file separately.

Actually even if you were married or PACS'd there aren't many "options" in the French fiscal system. If you're from the US it can seem kind of "constraining" at first - but in the long run it is actually quite a bit simpler than the US tax filing system.
 
Question for those who started their online filing: are you able to "pull in" the 3916s from last year? Last year I was able to get them all, one by one, from the previous year, with the option to modify inside, if need be (e.g. closing an ), but this time, when choosing the 3916s as annexes (through the beginning of process choice of foreign s) I get an "empty bucket" (no pre-filled forms). This means that I will have to recreate all 3916s from scratch (I know - I could use the info I saved last year, or from the large PDF with info from the docs section on the impots site, then copy-paste, but this is still a pain in the a**!) :(
 
Question for those who started their online filing: are you able to "pull in" the 3916s from last year? Last year I was able to get them all, one by one, from the previous year, with the option to modify inside, if need be (e.g. closing an ), but this time, when choosing the 3916s as annexes (through the beginning of process choice of foreign s) I get an "empty bucket" (no pre-filled forms). This means that I will have to recreate all 3916s from scratch (I know - I could use the info I saved last year, or from the large PDF with info from the docs section on the impots site, then copy-paste, but this is still a pain in the a**!) :(
Yes, for me the foreign s 3916 annex remains valid if you used it in the last filing, and all details are carried over as a draft for the new filing, but apparently, according the the alert, you only get one chance to update the annex (which makes no sense to me, I mean you might want to double-check, and correct the details, like with any other data entry, but never mind).

One detail, for example, is opening a Wise (note the French fisc quotes 'Transferwise' as an example of a foreign to be declared even though it is Wise not 'Transferwise') and then opening other Wise s for other currencies. Should you declare each one, which are out of your control, or just the 'master' to which the others are associated?
 
Hi there everyone. More extremely basic overview questions for a first year filer:
1. So 2042 is the basic form, 2041 is the instructions for the form, and as you fill out 2042 the other forms you need will become apparent in the instructions?
2. You're on your own for translations of all forms and instructions?
Again, thanks in advance!
 
Almost. Yes, form 2042 is your basic form - and there exists a number of additional 2042 forms for various categories of stuff that doesn't fit on the basic 4 page form. This is where to get the full array of 2042 forms:
Including the plain old vanilla 2041 NOT, which is the instructions for filing the 2042 forms. There are a variety of 2042-NOT in various languages, but these are mostly for non-residents who need to file French income taxes for whatever reason. The basic instructions only seem to be available in French. However, try dropping a pdf copy into Google Translate or a similar program and see what you get. (Haven't tried this myself. Some of the specific tax terminology may get some "odd" translations into English, but this is how we learn new specialized vocabulary.)

Actually, things tend to work the other way around. You fill out the "other" forms that you need and those are pretty good at referring you to where on the basic form (2042) you need to carry the various numbers. (Sort of how the online filing system works - so again, a good way to start to learn the French tax system.)

As a new arrival, you probably will only need the 2047 form (for foreign sourced income). So here's your link to that:
Again, try running the form and the NOT (Notice) for the form through a translation program. The instructions for the 2047 form give you some pretty specific information on how to report investment income (including bank interest) by country. The 2047 form also points out quite explicitly where to carry your various totals on the 2042 form.

Other than that, you might (at some point) have need for other forms, like the 2044 (property rental income) or 2074 (investment income, gains and losses).

Don't forget, too, that all your foreign (i.e. non-French) bank and other investment s need to be reported on forms 3916 (which go with your 2042 form). This is sort of like the FBAR requirement in the US, but you don't have to report any balance information. If you don't exactly when you opened any of your foreign s, just give it a good faith guess.

The impots.gouv.fr website has two sections - one for "International" and the other for "International (english)" which can be really useful. The stuff translated into English tends to be oriented toward non-residents filing from overseas, but there is still quite a bit of useful information there.
 
Almost. Yes, form 2042 is your basic form - and there exists a number of additional 2042 forms for various categories of stuff that doesn't fit on the basic 4 page form. This is where to get the full array of 2042 forms:
Including the plain old vanilla 2041 NOT, which is the instructions for filing the 2042 forms. There are a variety of 2042-NOT in various languages, but these are mostly for non-residents who need to file French income taxes for whatever reason. The basic instructions only seem to be available in French. However, try dropping a pdf copy into Google Translate or a similar program and see what you get. (Haven't tried this myself. Some of the specific tax terminology may get some "odd" translations into English, but this is how we learn new specialized vocabulary.)

Actually, things tend to work the other way around. You fill out the "other" forms that you need and those are pretty good at referring you to where on the basic form (2042) you need to carry the various numbers. (Sort of how the online filing system works - so again, a good way to start to learn the French tax system.)

As a new arrival, you probably will only need the 2047 form (for foreign sourced income). So here's your link to that:
Again, try running the form and the NOT (Notice) for the form through a translation program. The instructions for the 2047 form give you some pretty specific information on how to report investment income (including bank interest) by country. The 2047 form also points out quite explicitly where to carry your various totals on the 2042 form.

Other than that, you might (at some point) have need for other forms, like the 2044 (property rental income) or 2074 (investment income, gains and losses).

Don't forget, too, that all your foreign (i.e. non-French) bank and other investment s need to be reported on forms 3916 (which go with your 2042 form). This is sort of like the FBAR requirement in the US, but you don't have to report any balance information. If you don't exactly when you opened any of your foreign s, just give it a good faith guess.

The impots.gouv.fr website has two sections - one for "International" and the other for "International (english)" which can be really useful. The stuff translated into English tends to be oriented toward non-residents filing from overseas, but there is still quite a bit of useful information there.

The google translate worked for all the forms and instructions, but only to view online, so I screenshot each page and saved as a pdf. Now I have translations for everything. Also, thanks for the tips on the order to fill the forms - also didn't have 3916 on my list - now I can organize this process in my 🧠.
 
Glad to know it worked. I use a tax preparation software - but even they use the same general approach as the online forms for the Fisc. Fill in all the "informational" stuff on the form 2042 - name, address (including the stuff indicating if you only just moved to ), how many people in your family, etc. etc.

Then, as far as filling in numbers goes - in your case I'd start with the form 2047. Read through your translated "Notice" to see what applies in your case and then go from there. And pop back in here as questions come up.
 
And next question - do you really have to provide your lease or rental agreement as of 31 Dec 2024, or they won't process your form? I ask because I'm pretty nomadic, and I've been piecing together different accommodation for a while now while looking for a house. So for that time, I have a...storage unit lease where my stuff was, and that's it. I was traveling around, in and out of the country. Any thoughts or other experiences on this? 🙏
 
Where do you receive your postal mail? Because they officially want to know your address as of January 1st of 2024 (or as of the date you first moved to if it falls in 2024) and, if applicable, the address you are using currently for filing your taxes (ostensibly your address as of January 1st 2025 - since that is what is used for taxe d'habitation purposes).
 
Where do you receive your postal mail? Because they officially want to know your address as of January 1st of 2024 (or as of the date you first moved to if it falls in 2024) and, if applicable, the address you are using currently for filing your taxes (ostensibly your address as of January 1st 2025 - since that is what is used for taxe d'habitation purposes).
Well, I'm in a short term housesitting gig from 1 April to 31 October. I have a friend who lets me use their address, and I have set up things in the past to have that be my address when I need a justicatif. But I don't want to wear out my welcome on that, so I'm moving mail receipt to my housesitting gig. But I don't have a lease that's technically valid for 31 Dec 24 or 1 Jan 25.
 
You realize, of course, that you will receive your Avis d'imposition at the address you give them as your 1 January 2025 address. And, with the new rules on homeowners having to report their residential property (including who is actually living there) you could cause problems for whoever you are house sitting for if their report on the property doesn't match up with what you report on your tax declaration.
 
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