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‘Homemade Bread & Baking’

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Mark, I was going to respond to Steve’s query re yeast on the SRRV Application Process thread #19, (below refers) but I fear we are veering too far off topic. How about we start a new thread on ‘Homemade Bread & Baking’ with the emphasis being on ‘homemade’ rather than shop or restaurant bought. Maybe we can inspire more home baking, especially on the healthy side. Any info on ovens etc., could also fit under this heading. If you’re in agreement, then perhaps you could transfer post #26 that I made recently under the thread ‘Filipino-style Spaghetti with Hotdogs’, which doesn’t really belong there either.

@pagbati Sorry to go off topic guys but cooking is important. ..... As a Breaker you pagbati are an artiste and if I can do half as well as you I will be happy,,,, lol wondering if our yeast sitting in the fridge for 18 months will still be active, suck it and see I suppose. Thanks for sharing your culinary skills. .... Cheers, Steve.
Steve, I keep my commercial yeast in the freezer, where 18 months wouldn’t be a problem. The fridge is another matter. Because we tend to put a lot of love and ion into producing bread, it would not only be disappointing but a shame to have your loaf not rise just because the yeast was well past its expiry date. Further, if your loaf didn’t turn out right, you’d be wondering what the cause was: was it really the yeast, maybe I just didn’t use enough? or did you use too much liquid? or too much salt? or did you over proof prior to baking? or maybe the oven wasn’t hot enough., etc., etc. As yeast is not that expensive, my advice would be to eliminate the yeast question by ditching your old packet and keep the new one in the freezer.

On sourdough starter - what is known as a natural yeast, i.e. not commercial - some bakeries in Europe have 100 year old starters. Old starters tend to have a greater depth of flavour. My sourdough starter is only a humble 8 years old and I keep it in the fridge, feeding it as and when necessary and at least every 3 weeks. If you were local I’d happily give you a free starter batch to get you going; it’s good to share 🍞. I haven’t yet managed to convert the locals so I've always got plenty to spare. I'm looking forward to hearing how you get on when you install your new oven, hopefully with a photo or two.
 
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Pasties. Old fashioned pasties made from shortcrust pastry and filled with beef skirt, potato, turnip and onion are hard to beat. Why change a classic as they say. But we like a change so I often use other fillings such as chicken and mushroom or as with this batch, onion, carrots, beef ragu sauce and coriander. I also added curry powder and turmeric to the pastry.
 

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Baking Bread Tips. Before I start handing out what could be unwanted advice, are you open to advice or do you prefer to potter around experimenting for yourself and learning as you go trying different online recipes?

By the way, your loaf looks pale so would we be right in assuming that one’s got a very low percentage of wholemeal flour, if any?
 
Happy to accept advice - the loaf was a fully normal loaf, no wholemeal flour in it at all but still came out pale. For info I took the lid off the Dutch oven as per the recipe / video I was following and put it back in the oven for 10 minutes which was supposed to brown it up - it didn't!
 
1. Cup measurements V Grams
Any professional baker will tell you to use grams every time when it comes to baking bread or cakes. As you know only too well, we have British cups sizes, American cups, Australian, Canadian and the list goes on. Besides, cups measurements are simply not accurate.

If you come across bread recipes in cups, my advice would be to move on. Life is too short trying to work out where the author is from and which cup sizes they are using and then converting it to grams. There are plenty of good recipes out there specifying grams only. I’m happy to on recipes if you want. However, the majority of my bread recipes are made using pullman loaf pans, which are extremely forgiving for the amateur baker - see below. I find that I can use higher hydration because of the provided by the sides of the pullman.

2. Pullman Loaf Pans
Everybody has their own preference as to what is better for baking bread, a dutch oven or Pullman Loaf Pans. Apart from my own experience, I haven’t heard any negatives about dutch ovens. People say that they should be heated up in the oven so that your dough hits a hot surface; well, that didn’t work for me. I was constantly getting loaves with a burnt bottom. Like I say, most people seem to love them therefore I must have been doing something wrong. I used to borrow mine from a friend but if I had my own, I'd still use it for some breads, especially sourdough loaves.

I mentioned briefly in an earlier post the benefit of using Pullman Loaf Pans for baking bread; sometimes they are referred to as ‘Sandwich Pans’. Whether you’re a professional baker, or just starting out in bread making, I believe these are excellent pans to have. They come in many different sizes so it’s up to the individual baker to decide upon the size of loaves he/ she intends to bake. I find it economical to bake larger loaves weighing approx 1.6kg after baking., then slice them up for freezing. However, if I’m trying out a new recipe, it makes sense to try a smaller loaf first before upsizing. Hence I find it useful to have a range of sizes. I also use the smaller ones for baking loaf cakes.

Like all things, you can buy rubbish or quality pullman loaf pans. I recommend forking out a little extra for the quality variety, which will last you a lifetime. Mine were bought here from two different sources and I’ve had some of them for over 7 years now. The quality is excellent as they use heavy gauge aluminium steel and the inside of the pan is coated with a non-stick coating to prevent the dough from sticking. The straight and narrow sides force the dough into a confined and narrow rise and the browning is always even. Even when baking with Rye, which is notoriously sticky, I’ve never had a loaf stick to my pullman pans, which is a huge bonus in itself. They come with or without a sliding lid that covers the top of the pan during baking. If you’re going to purchase a pullman, make sure you get the lid version. Wiping with a damp cloth is usually the only cleaning required. So, for anyone thinking of getting into home bread baking, you won’t go far wrong by investing in a decent pullman loaf tin. If you want to know the brand I bought or a link, let me know.
 
Yep, I will be more careful next time I follow an online recipe, anything in cups and I will 'move along'

I have a pullman loaf tin and used it successfully, I just thought I'd try something different.

Also I think a lot of these YouTube video recipe's are just BS!
 
Looking good Pugwash, looks like damper. let your dough rise, kneed it again and let it rise for another hour. a damp towel over the top, let it aerate, make sure your oven is hot enough to get your creations excited. You want crust crank up the oven for the last 10 minutes. Still? Why weren't we invited.

Cheers, Steve.
 
Mohn Kuchen mit Struesel / Poppyseed Cake with Crumble. This is my wife’s all time favourite tray bake and a common cake sold in bakeries throughout Austria and . A shortcrust base and a filling consisting of crushed poppyseeds, raisins soaked in rum, semolina, eggs, milk, custard powder and almond essence ++, then topped with a crumble.
Unfortunately poppyseeds purchased in the Ph cost approx ₱150 per 100g as opposed to ₱400 per 1kg in the UK. Just another of those items worth having sent over in the Balakbayan box.
 

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Parmesan & Onion Sesame Sourdough Thins/ (Crisps). When you feed your sourdough starter, the volume multiplies and therefore people struggle with what to do with the excess; there is often a tendency to throw it out. These super tasty oven baked crisps made from 'left over starter' avoid that wastage and are a must try; even our local Filipino neighbours demolished them within minutes.
 

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Bakewell Tart. This classic British favourite is always a winner. A shortcrust base with a thin layer of raspberry jam and a frangipani filling. Hard to beat! No raspberries? Use whatever you like, just don’t mention it to purists who can get awfully funny about these things.
 

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Malted Spelt Loaf. Bags of flavour with this 20% spelt grain/ 20% malted wheat loaf. I forgot that spelt grain requires up to 25% less water, so it resulted in an overly-hydrated dough, making it difficult to work with and score. Photo No 2 shows the dough trying to break out in places of its own accord, which can happen when you don’t score properly. I’ve certainly had worse so not a big issue and the high hydration did make it a very light loaf for 40% wholegrain.
 

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Pumpkin/ Kalabasa/ Squash Pie. Our neighbour keeps bringing us kalabasa every time he returns from visiting his family farm; I dare say he’s cottoned on to the fact that he always gets a large slice of pie a day or two later.

Anyhow, no need to wait for thanksgiving/ autumn when kalabasa are available all year round here. This pie’s made using our standard shortcrust pastry and home made pumpkin spice. And yes, that dollop of cream just takes it to the next level.
 

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