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7 posts · ed 2023
Hello, I am requesting advice regarding a neighbour who moved into my village 3 years ago. I have owned my house for almost 15 years, bought from a company who specialized in Rural property in Central Portugal, I live there alone. Totally paid for, notarised and ed etc. My solicitor re-examined the documents and said there is no problem with them. No real problems until about 3 years ago a man moved in (from the next village). Only 3 houses are occupied full time, mine is one of them. He has with the aid of his son and a woman who moved into his house proceeded to be verbally abusive, noisy and threatening towards me. He says that my house belongs to him and I should go back to my own country. He says that he will burn it down if he doesn't get it, kill me and my animals and move his son in. The GNR say that he is not "socially educated" and can say what he wants, as long as it is between 0800 and 2200. They indicated that unless he breaks any "serious" law that they will not intervene. He has 3 dogs, 2 of which are chained and bark at all hours the third is roaming around. I record their ranting and have hundreds of hours of what is daily abuse and lies. He has also declared a "war" and I think he is egged on by people whom own land and property in the village but do not actually live there. I am the only person in the village who can read, but he has stated he does not care for "legal" and is going to "clean" the area. I am the only foreigner, so he means me. I suspect that he may be mentally ill. The only other full time resident is a lovely old lady whom sticks up for me but cannot go further as there are family issues at stake and I would not expect her to. Moving is not really an issue I have limited funds. I am a good honest neighbour and have lived in many places previously, so no rose tinted glasses on village life. Anyone else been in the same situation?
 
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Just to add, he says that he is my Patron, (not as far as I am concerned), and that I have to "pay" to live in the area. He also complains that I do not work and that I should be working for him. I work all the time, keeping a house together and looking after the animals that have been abandoned, 3 dogs and various village cats, and on my computer, but that is not work in his opinion and I am a "woman". Evidently only "Horta's", (that may be spelt incorrectly) are allowed to live in the area, (4 villages, populated by essentially, 1 family). I think that he is still fighting the 'Agrarian Revolution'. He shouts about "equal" but that is probably one way, he is essentially broke. Two examples, the first time that I met his son, he demanded my car keys as he needed to buy some ****, (he does not have a driving licence). Shortly after moving in, his father needed help and I took the battery off his microcar, charged and refitted it for him, the very next day he was shouting f. off at my house. Sorry, I know i'm venting but it's running me ragged.
 
Hi slighthitchmitch,
I'm so sorry to hear that...
It must be really hard emotionally to be harassed by your neighbour.

I wish I could give you some advice, but I am a foreigner living in Asia and I don't know much about Portugal as I am about to apply for a D7 visa, but your situation is so serious that I was concerned and wrote to you.

There are several communities of expats living in Portugal on Facebook, so how about asking for some advice there? There are many s on Facebook and I think you are likely to get a response.

I am in a group called Americans & FriendsPT and everyone is very helpful and informative. But this group is a community for foreigners who get Portuguese visas and strict on rules, so you might not be able to .But sometimes people post about their problems in life after getting a visa. The other day, a Portuguese foreigner who had his ID card stolen in Paris posted for help in dealing with the situation.

There are also other groups such as “Expats in Portugal Q&A " on Facebook.

Facebook requires you to enter your name (although you can under a pseudonym), so if you don't want to enter your name, there were other anonymous expat forums in Portugal like below.
Portugal forum, forum expat Portugal

If I have a problem like yours in my country, I would deal with the following.

・Write down everything. What he did, what time, what date. Keep a record.
・ Talk to the local community association
・Talk to the town hall or city hall personnel.
・Talk to the police
・Consult a lawyer.
・ Collect evidence of the harassment on video (e.g. hidden cameras or surveillance cameras so that the neighbour is unaware)

However, I have heard rumours that Portuguese bureaucrats do not work well.

'I will burn your house down and kill you', the neighbour says, which in my country constitutes a crime of intimidation and a high probability of arrest by the police.
You have already consulted GNR and I am so sorry that GNR unfortunately will not take up the matter.

Why don't you rent your house to someone else, e.g. on AirBNB or Flatio.pt, and you live elsewhere for a while? Living somewhere else for a while help you calm down and think of a way to deal with the situation.
Having crazy neighbours next door must be disturbing. For the sake of your psyche, how about living away from your place for a while?

Alternatively, why not ask your friends or family to come and live in your house with you for a while? I think it is more reassuring to have two or more people living there than one.

Or, why don't you try to find a roommate for a short term shared room on AirBNB ? It would be especially good if the roommate is a man. It would bring in some extra income and would be a good bodyguard.

Like you, I have been harassed several times by my neighbours. (He played blaring music every day from 11pm to midnight. Once, my neighbour got angry, probably because I invited one of my friends to my flat and we were talking until 2am. The bombings went on for two years until I moved out.) I took refuge in my boyfriend’s house and stopped going home.

My friend was being harassed by her schizophrenic downstairs neighbour. At 2am, the neighbour rang the intercom and told her several times that ' Water is falling from your room’. (The water is his hallucination.) My friend ed the real estate agent manager, who ed the neighbour's mother, who took the neighbour in and the neighbour moved out.

Neighbour problems are also common in my country. In my country, people are more likely to move out in order to solve the problem. I felt uncomfortable and not convinced why I move out, even though it was not my fault, but I really feel much better and calmer after moving out.(I once moved out because of neighbour trouble. Seven or eight foreign workers moved into the two-bedroom next door and they were noisy every day, so I moved out after I put up with it for about a year.)

My French friend also had a noise problem, when his neighbour was noisy he used to hit his neighbour's wall with a stick. We don't do that in my country. So I think different countries have different ways of dealing with neighbour problems. I hope you can get some good advice from Portuguese people.(The aforementioned group on Facebook, Americans & FriendsPT, has Portuguese people who sometimes respond.)

I hope the problem will be resolved soon and you will feel better.

What to do when your neighbours harass you
https://www.idealista.pt/en/news/le...ws/legal-advice-portugal/2019/05/22/343-what-do-when-your-neighbours-harass-you

Psychological Bullying by Neighbors – How to Defense and STOP Them
Psychological Bullying by Neighbors - How to Defense and STOP Them
 
Hi slighthitchmitch,
I'm so sorry to hear that...
It must be really hard emotionally to be harassed by your neighbour.

I wish I could give you some advice, but I am a foreigner living in Asia and I don't know much about Portugal as I am about to apply for a D7 visa, but your situation is so serious that I was concerned and wrote to you.

There are several communities of expats living in Portugal on Facebook, so how about asking for some advice there? There are many s on Facebook and I think you are likely to get a response.

I am in a group called Americans & FriendsPT and everyone is very helpful and informative. But this group is a community for foreigners who get Portuguese visas and strict on rules, so you might not be able to .But sometimes people post about their problems in life after getting a visa. The other day, a Portuguese foreigner who had his ID card stolen in Paris posted for help in dealing with the situation.

There are also other groups such as “Expats in Portugal Q&A " on Facebook.

Facebook requires you to enter your name (although you can under a pseudonym), so if you don't want to enter your name, there were other anonymous expat forums in Portugal like below.
Portugal forum, forum expat Portugal

If I have a problem like yours in my country, I would deal with the following.

・Write down everything. What he did, what time, what date. Keep a record.
・ Talk to the local community association
・Talk to the town hall or city hall personnel.
・Talk to the police
・Consult a lawyer.
・ Collect evidence of the harassment on video (e.g. hidden cameras or surveillance cameras so that the neighbour is unaware)

However, I have heard rumours that Portuguese bureaucrats do not work well.

'I will burn your house down and kill you', the neighbour says, which in my country constitutes a crime of intimidation and a high probability of arrest by the police.
You have already consulted GNR and I am so sorry that GNR unfortunately will not take up the matter.

Why don't you rent your house to someone else, e.g. on AirBNB or Flatio.pt, and you live elsewhere for a while? Living somewhere else for a while help you calm down and think of a way to deal with the situation.
Having crazy neighbours next door must be disturbing. For the sake of your psyche, how about living away from your place for a while?

Alternatively, why not ask your friends or family to come and live in your house with you for a while? I think it is more reassuring to have two or more people living there than one.

Or, why don't you try to find a roommate for a short term shared room on AirBNB ? It would be especially good if the roommate is a man. It would bring in some extra income and would be a good bodyguard.

Like you, I have been harassed several times by my neighbours. (He played blaring music every day from 11pm to midnight. Once, my neighbour got angry, probably because I invited one of my friends to my flat and we were talking until 2am. The bombings went on for two years until I moved out.) I took refuge in my boyfriend’s house and stopped going home.

My friend was being harassed by her schizophrenic downstairs neighbour. At 2am, the neighbour rang the intercom and told her several times that ' Water is falling from your room’. (The water is his hallucination.) My friend ed the real estate agent manager, who ed the neighbour's mother, who took the neighbour in and the neighbour moved out.

Neighbour problems are also common in my country. In my country, people are more likely to move out in order to solve the problem. I felt uncomfortable and not convinced why I move out, even though it was not my fault, but I really feel much better and calmer after moving out.(I once moved out because of neighbour trouble. Seven or eight foreign workers moved into the two-bedroom next door and they were noisy every day, so I moved out after I put up with it for about a year.)

My French friend also had a noise problem, when his neighbour was noisy he used to hit his neighbour's wall with a stick. We don't do that in my country. So I think different countries have different ways of dealing with neighbour problems. I hope you can get some good advice from Portuguese people.(The aforementioned group on Facebook, Americans & FriendsPT, has Portuguese people who sometimes respond.)

I hope the problem will be resolved soon and you will feel better.

What to do when your neighbours harass you
https://www.idealista.pt/en/news/le...ws/legal-advice-portugal/2019/05/22/343-what-do-when-your-neighbours-harass-you

Psychological Bullying by Neighbors – How to Defense and STOP Them
Psychological Bullying by Neighbors - How to Defense and STOP Them
Thank you for your reply, I also posted on a different forum and have had some useful advice. It helps just writing about it and I will sort out the recordings that I have and return to my solicitor. I have received reassuring advice as well regarding my house documentation and the legaç situation regarding that. Thank you for your time.
 

No idea where you are from but if Os Bretoes (ie 'British' at the time of the 1890 Ultimatum - so including Eire) - ask around, such as your lawyer - about the original, until 1957 Contra os Bretoes national anthem. (and why didn't the lawyer mention it before?)

All about attacking the British on land and sea !

Sobre a terra, sobre o mar, As armas, as armas, Pela patria lutar! Contra os bretoes marchar (repeated as the chorus etc)

So your neighbour agitating you and no-one offering constructive help - this would tick the box for 'attacking on land'. Poisoning pets and livestock with contaminated water would nowadays qualify as 'attacking on the sea'. Getting a chuckle from other locals.

Keep us all up to date - on your loony neighbour, here and on any other sites you have told your 'harassment' story to !
 
Hi there and thank you for your kind remarks.
The verbal abuse continues on a daily basis, but I am confident that my home is secure. Despite their comments becoming more unhinged, i.e. "You don't need documents to own a house" I feel that local opinion is finally turning in my favour. I had my brake lines cut a year ago and ended up driving onto a main road which could have been very bad. The GNR archived the case due to 'lack of evidence' but I know the son was responsible as he and his father had a blazing row upon returning from a day at the local GNR office. I have that recorded somewhere, also they lied to the GNR about many things and I could probably prove all of those lies as well. The good thing is that they have not tried anything else, I think that incident shook them up a bit, they know there is an archived case hanging over them now. So it continues but this year it will stop one way or the other as I am bored of them after 6 years of idiocy. Thanks again for asking.
 
I'm single women going thru the immigration process now. bringing my big 13 lb schichon dog and 45 years of psych nursing experience with me ! LOL. I'm going to stay out of the rural areas because I do believe it is not as safe in those situations and I certainly hope she is safe. it doesn't sound like the police or community are setting limits with that neighbor clearing making threats. I hope she has gotten a couple big bad dogs to protect her!
 
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